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- Good day, dear users
- But such answers do not satisfy us, and so, I finally decided to get together and put everything in its place, providing the localization with irrefutable (if possible) evidence. Many works, articles and posts have been written on this topic, but nowhere have I seen such a desired localization, as well as a detailed reconstruction of the development of changes that have transformed the region (which we will now do) I think that this work will be especially interesting for those who are engaged in the history of the region
- SO LET'S GET STARTED
- AUTHOR'S RECONSTRUCTION
- So, back to our topic - it seems like everything fits
- We are interested in - where exactly was the mouth of the Amu Darya in the 16th century, and therefore, the old border of the lake, on the modern map?
- It is written there - Oxus fly… Let's turn to "Aunt VIKA":
- Mouths of rivers
- CASPIA WAS NOT BELOW BAKU
- SUDDENLY
- GATE
- IS DEMAVEND VOLCANO EXTENDED..?
- AND IT WAS THE LOCAL END OF THE WORLD FOR THE REGION
- FRIENDLY ABSORPTION
- APPROXIMATE EVENT DEVELOPMENT SCHEME
- JUST ADD WATER
- EXAMPLE OUTLINE OF THE OLD CASPIAN
- OPINION OF OFFICIAL SCIENCE
- In general, it is clear that initially isolating the Aral Sea from the Caspian Sea, and granting it 10,000 years of age, the official science either lies, or does not have reliable information about the past (old maps), or is not able to conduct an analysis based on the available information … the question arises about the competence of a given branch of the national economy
- A LITTLE ABOUT RELIEF
- POSSIBLE CAUSES OF THE DISASTER
- CLIMATE WEAPONS
- WHEN DID IT HAPPEN?
- AND ANOTHER OPTION OF EVENT DEVELOPMENT
- But the carefully "cleaned up" evidence of the recent ENDS OF THE WORLD and GREAT FLOOD, no, no, yes, and pop up here and there - you WILL NOT HIDE IN A BAG
- Pay attention to how wide the Neva is
- Interesting - who the same measured "in an open field", the height of the rise of water, if there was no city there? How did you measure - did you swim there (where and why, there was no city yet? How did you know that there would be a city there?) On rafts or ships, lowered poles or ropes with a load?
- To whom and why it was needed? In general, it's clear that it's a dark matter! Most likely the information is distorted - the exact depth could be measured using mud marks on buildings (flood always brings dirt) So the city was in that place!
- LET'S ASK YOURSELF QUESTIONS:
- And the most characteristic - AT FUNCTIONING IN THE SEA large REC (from below, from the south) THERE ARE NO BRANCHED MOUNTINGS (from above, near the Volga, everything is in order) This speaks of the "freshness" of the southeastern coastline
- And this, my friends, in fact THE ENTIRE CASPIAN PERSIA IS THE MOST GRAPPY LAND EVER
- END OF THE WORLD
Video: Disasters of the Ancient World. The Caspian Sea - as it was. Reconstruction of tragic events
2024 Author: Seth Attwood | [email protected]. Last modified: 2023-12-16 15:55
A detailed analysis of the successive changes in the shape of the Caspian Sea in the 16-17 centuries. The reasons for the tragic events for the region. Arguments, facts, assumptions.
Good day, dear users
At this good time, I would like to finally dot the i's and clearly define how we can localize the boundaries of the 16th century Caspian on a modern map. Because the official history of the fact of the recent (by geological standards) change in the shape and volume of the sea-lake is silent (like a fish on ice) and the numerous evidences available (old maps) are ignored. Opponents, however, brush aside ridiculous excuses - they say, "cartography was not up to par, that's …" - in that spirit.
But such answers do not satisfy us, and so, I finally decided to get together and put everything in its place, providing the localization with irrefutable (if possible) evidence. Many works, articles and posts have been written on this topic, but nowhere have I seen such a desired localization, as well as a detailed reconstruction of the development of changes that have transformed the region (which we will now do) I think that this work will be especially interesting for those who are engaged in the history of the region
SO LET'S GET STARTED
To begin with, let's look at the map "Joan Blaeu (1571-1635) in his Atlas Maior in 1662" Immediately I will make a reservation that there are many cards with a similar image, I use this one because … I just came under my arm first! Well, and beautiful, of course, in color. The region is also well displayed on the map of D. Keller (16th century) in general, you can compare - they are almost identical (perhaps, and most likely, all maps of the region of that time have a common "source")
Here is another map (duplicate) of about the same age (1578)
I suggest you familiarize yourself with my author's reconstruction of those events that brought the Caspian into modern forms, from what happened before.
AUTHOR'S RECONSTRUCTION
We localize the event, for more convenient viewing, indicating the main anchor points
Pay attention to the mouths of large rivers flowing into the great lake (Volga, Syr-Darya, Amu-Darya) - they have a classic branching, indicated in the picture (like a wire, a loop, and a connection plug:-)) this is important to remember! As for the two rivers (flowing into the Caspian) between the Urals and the Syr Darya, we will look for what remains of them on the modern GUGL map.
Now, we will do the same on a modern satellite GUGL map - we will put the same anchor points on it, and compare (taking into account the errors of the old map)
I will immediately notice - a modern map, I unfold a little to the left along the axis (note the compass on the right in the picture above) This is due to the fact that almost all maps up to the 17th century are slightly "mowed", which was noticed a long time ago by the community of seekers, here is one of materials on the topic (This can be explained by various reasons, but I am firmly convinced that in the 17th century there was a global catastrophe of the END OF THE WORLD (I'm not afraid of this name) as a result of a CHANGE OF POLES …
So, back to our topic - it seems like everything fits
The main key reference points coincide, taking into account the errors and changes that have occurred (many rivers and lakes have dried up, the desert has conquered a lot of fertile lands, filled up flowering cities) The channels of the two missing rivers (between the Urals and the Syr Darya) are difficult, but visible (marked with a red arrow) and there is practically nothing left of them (you can find them yourself).
Now, in order to be convinced of the adequacy of the anchoring objects, let us note a couple more - three key points, in a closer examination … For example, the conjunction of the Caspian with the Amu Darya (estuary) Let's try to more convincingly localize the nuances of the event by comparing it on two maps. In its current form, the Amu-Darya flows to the half-dried Aral Sea, and this is natural!
As the lake became shallower, or the water left the main basin, the river, under the pressure of its own current, found new channels for itself (its branching along the territory of the bottom of the former lake is clearly visible)
We are interested in - where exactly was the mouth of the Amu Darya in the 16th century, and therefore, the old border of the lake, on the modern map?
And in general, where did I get the idea that it was the Amu-Darya on the old map, and not some now dry river, which is not even in sight? After all, there the name itself is different - something in Latin.. So what is written there?
It is written there - Oxus fly… Let's turn to "Aunt VIKA":
QUOTE- "Amu Darya (obsolete Amu Darya) (Pashto د آمو سيند, Tajik Amu Daryo, Uzbek Amudaryo, Turkm. Amyderýa, from Persian آمودریا" Amu "- the names of the historical city of Amul and Daryo -" river "; other name: Greek "Oxos", Latin "Oxus", Arabic "Jeyhun" [1]) - a river in Central Asia."
Mouths of rivers
So everything is in order - the river is that! Now the mouth itself. It is clear that it is shown schematically, conditionally, but in principle, the characteristic meanders, before flowing into the sea, are guessed … Pay attention - on the large "squiggle" (the map above, where the inscription is underlined) further (towards the mouth) there is a tributary of the river (flows from the south) On the modern map, we see a squiggle, and to the south, below - the area dammed by lakes..
Most likely this is the very river that once flowed into the Amu Darya, now its channels are covered with sand, the water has collected in the lowlands. And further, in the direction of the mouth, the branches of the branches are already going (just like on the old map) and this is very clearly visible.
Also, in principle, it is clearly visible in the general picture, the border of the 16th century sea, along the symmetrically located, greening oases on the Syr Darya (above) and Amu Darya (below) This is approximately the mouths of the rivers, their confluence into the old Caspian, and therefore its borders, from the east, that we have localized, with which, you and I, we can congratulate!
Everything converges, but not everything.. As you can see, on the old map we have Baku at the very bottom (this is the southern end of the Khvalynsky Sea) "round", and on the modern one there is an oil city almost in the middle of the western coast, on a small peninsula.. Disorder. Of course, I understand that the cartographers of that time did not have a GUGL at hand, but if you compare the maps, what they did without a GUGL satellite is worthy of admiration and immense respect!
CASPIA WAS NOT BELOW BAKU
Of course, small errors are quite acceptable, but not the same as the one under consideration! This is a clear overkill. Therefore, here we need to look for another reason for such a blatant discrepancy. I will put forward such a fantastic (so far) hypothesis that there was no Caspian below Baku! And I have strong evidence of this.
Let's turn to the old map (fragment of interest to us)
SUDDENLY
Do you see the big lake below Baku? This is the bottom of the modern Caspian Sea, its deepest part … Most likely as a result of seismic activity, or rather, its activity, and such changes have taken place … There are a lot of facts, consider one of them..
Here is a modern map of the depths of the Caspian (the part of it we are examining) Here is a lake for you - the South Caspian depression. The lake itself, this is the lower part of the depression (the lake is indicated). -depressions will almost perfectly match the image on the old map.
GATE
The very geographical object "Absheron threshold" (or rather its name) gives a hint that the lake was originally divided into two bowls, North-South. Also, I would pay attention to the open "gate", showing the direction of movement of the gushing waters, the Caspian Sea, into the formed gap.
I mean the coastal outlines bent inward, in the place where the sea is slightly "fitted" (map above) the peninsula itself, where Baku is located, and, on the contrary, symmetrically (indicated by arrows) It can be seen that earlier it was a ridge edging the southern the coast of the lake (this is clearly visible on the depth-height map) as well as the gap in it (the Absheron threshold) with characteristic curved edges (according to the direction of movement of the streams of the water mass)
IS DEMAVEND VOLCANO EXTENDED..?
Incredible masses of water rushed into the hole, and flooded the entire area, being stopped only by the foothills of the central Elbrus, its Iranian part (Mount Demavend, white triangle on the relief map, below) Note how the location of the volcano / lake-depression perfectly matches, on the old and new maps (according to the version under review)
This mountain is the highest (5.870 m.) In the central part of the Elbrus mountain system, and this is an extinct volcano.. How extinct, who knows? Perhaps his activity, albeit implicit, provoked such changes in the appearance of the region, its fate. And of course, ancient cartographers designated the volcano especially as an important event on the map. And this confirms our version, since below the volcano, there are no longer such significant "mountain" events worthy of special attention to be displayed on the map for.
AND IT WAS THE LOCAL END OF THE WORLD FOR THE REGION
FRIENDLY ABSORPTION
That is, what happened? According to the author's version (reconstruction of events), the water in the Caspian has not dried up at all! The sea became shallow, exposing the Aral (which, in fact, was a depression) due to the departure of water from the common basin (what we examined above) Thus, the mega-lake changed its shape, swallowed one and left another body of water - the sea / lake Aral (as compensation for moral and material damage) Accordingly, the entire region has changed - beyond recognition, as evidenced by many sources.
APPROXIMATE EVENT DEVELOPMENT SCHEME
JUST ADD WATER
The fate of the numerous coastal islands presented on the old map is also interesting - where are they, what is wrong with them? I think I have an answer to this question.. Here are photos of the coastal line - the former bottom of the former sea.
And in my opinion the islands are abundant here, in the famous advertising slogan - JUST FILL WATER! (I also have a separate material on this topic -
And there are a lot of such photos on the network (GUGLite) travelers love this harsh route to the bottom of the former sea (but they are told that the sea was here millions of years ago!)
It is known that the Caspian Lake is very shallow, its maximum depth is a kilometer "with kopecks", and this is the South Caspian depression (the one that was formed as a result of the absorption of the lake, from the southwest). what happened as a result of these movements) raised the water level, so much so that it drowned its coastal islands (see the old map, Baku region) And the shallower side, on the contrary, was exposed to the most indecent appearance.
EXAMPLE OUTLINE OF THE OLD CASPIAN
Well, and finally, to place all the dots above the i - let's overlay the images one on top of the other! So, within these boundaries, the super-mega-lake Caspian, the Khvalynskoe Sea, the Hyrcanian Sea, the Khazar, Abeskun, Sarai, Derbent, Sihai Sea were located, and in Iran they are still called Mazandaran (by the name of the province adjacent to the sea). called it the Khvalynsk Sea, this is our original name for the reservoir.
As you can see, the old image fits into the new one almost perfectly (especially the lake-depression !!)
OPINION OF OFFICIAL SCIENCE
This is what the collection "Seas of the USSR" 1982 writes to us -
In general, it is clear that initially isolating the Aral Sea from the Caspian Sea, and granting it 10,000 years of age, the official science either lies, or does not have reliable information about the past (old maps), or is not able to conduct an analysis based on the available information … the question arises about the competence of a given branch of the national economy
A LITTLE ABOUT RELIEF
Of course, if you look at the relief map of a given area, then many questions can arise … Because if you estimate the heights, the reconstructed bowl is not always adequate to perception … Where is the level of heights of the former bottom (in the middle) flush with the edges, or exceeds them.. So, on the Ustyurt plateau there are places reaching 370 meters above sea level, and we have 233m in Baku … It could be written off to the islands, but Ustyurt is the center of the reservoir, there were no islands like … How will we explain this?
On this topic, I remembered a quote from "Postman Pechkin" - "To sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary".. Don't you understand? Well, that is, if it decreases in one place, in another it arrives and vice versa - the law of communicating vessels.. If something has failed there, then it is possible and most likely that the bottom of the former Caspian Sea has risen slightly - quite a "reciprocal". This assumption, it is impossible to refute or prove it, therefore it takes place to stay in this status.
POSSIBLE CAUSES OF THE DISASTER
As I assumed earlier, this could be (most likely) the intensification of tectonic activity - the region is literally packed with mountain systems and volcanoes of various ages. this is gas and oil - especially the place of occurrence.. Since ancient times, oil torches have been burning here, which Afanasy Nikitin's son mentions in his "Walking Beyond Three Seas" (15th century)
Here is a quote from the story - "And yaz went to Derbent, and from Derbent to Baku, where the fire is inextinguishable; and from Baki I went across the sea to Chebokar, but here I lived in Chebokar"
Iran, Azerbaijan, etc. - the most "hydrocarbon" edge of the region. In the thickness of the earth there are cavities with fossil fuels, what size they are and where they lie (especially) is also very conditional knowledge. And if something "detonated" there, as a result of seismic activity (at the "place of occurrence") it seemed a little to no one, that's for sure.
CLIMATE WEAPONS
For the adherents of mystical conspiracy theories, I will throw a topic - perhaps there was used (by some forces) a climatic weapon (the above-described process was activated) The goal is to destroy Persia, its main, central region. It remains to find out who benefited from the earthly rulers (who fought at that time with Persia)
Although, looking at old maps, I often do not see the name Persia (as well as many familiar to our ear and eyes). Basically, these are small independent, separate regions. And nevertheless, it was worth destroying the jumper of the "Absheron threshold" and..
In fact, the damage from the action is very difficult to overestimate. Look at the results of flooding on the old map - how many cities. And even more remained without water. And without water, the desert began to advance, and it went, and went … And now, comparing the maps, one can guess how much remains to lie under the sands of the richest cities that were around the old Caspian Sea.
The channels of the once full-flowing rivers, and now you can see it under the sands, at high magnification. And this was not millions of years ago, as official science claims, but, quite recently.
WHEN DID IT HAPPEN?
It is difficult to say exactly when this catastrophe happened - there are maps of the 16th century, where the old proportions are preserved, at the beginning of the 17th already evidence of a flood emerges here and there (more on this later) and this is the approximate range of the event. how new maps were basically reprinted by various cartographers from existing ones - only some new changes were made.
Therefore, it took time for the news of the event to reach Europe (where mainly maps were printed), then someone needs to get together (and this is not cheap!) To visit the place of the event, do the work, fix the changes, return, and only then when the map was redrawn, a cliché was made, the map was printed … In general, you understand - this takes a very, very long time..
However, recently it became clear that there are a lot of fake cards on the network that support the MODERN version of the official x / ztoria, which were made in the 18-19th centuries. Therefore, it is almost impossible to determine the authenticity of this or that card.. Here you can only guess indirectly, with the help of intuition.. By the font, names, comparisons with other cards, some other little things.. In general, you need to understand old cards well, have experience with them.
AND ANOTHER OPTION OF EVENT DEVELOPMENT
(So as not to seem a little) I do not exclude another option - the Great Flood, which broke through the fence - now it is the "Absheron threshold", at the junction of the two bowls of the lake - the North and South. That is, the capital flooding of the region, followed by shallowing (until the present states) This is indicated by many things, including the gradation of changes traced on the maps, in the perspective of their renewal.
The starting position (map # 1) is the coastal outline in the Baku region, not "fitted" - the sea "rounds out", you can see both the lake-depression and the volcano as a limiter of water expansion. And this is the 16th century.
Further (map number 2) Great Flood, water floods the region, breaking through the coastline (going down, skirting the tall, 5, 8-kilometer volcano Demavend) Although, if you think about it, this does not exclude either a seismic or a conspiracy theory - which prevented the organizers of the "End Sveta to "deliver" maximum pleasure "to the inhabitants of the region?
A strange map (the one above) can be thought by everyone (although it is known to many seekers). Nowadays it is interpreted as a reconstruction of scientists of the 18-19th century, a flood of distant antiquity (it is necessary to somehow explain the phenomenon) Who knows, who knows..
But the carefully "cleaned up" evidence of the recent ENDS OF THE WORLD and GREAT FLOOD, no, no, yes, and pop up here and there - you WILL NOT HIDE IN A BAG
Below, a fragment of a map of Muscovy, 1706. district of St. Petersburg (see the whole map -
Pay attention to how wide the Neva is
The city of Petersburg, at that time is located on the island, which is now called Kronstadt. Judging by the inscription on the map - the residence of the king. The Oreshek fortress (on the island) is generally flooded! And yet, most likely (ticked off) some kind of fortress or other object (I don't think that Peter and Paul) Perhaps this is part of the center of the pre / St. Petersburg city, which is actually under water !!
Isn't this the same flood, after which this city had to be cleared of sediments and rubble? And the fact that before St. Petersburg there was a city - there is no doubt about that! There are illustrations with the destroyed top of the building (or is it a trace of the flood water?) Also, there is an illustration with an overgrown city center (The Bronze Horseman), it can be seen that the monument has been standing for a long time, and around it is abandoned, overgrown terrain (below) This is something that is not managed to clean up!
For example, it is known that before the founding of St. Petersburg, the largest flood occurred in 1691. Swedish chroniclers wrote about this, noting that they say - ".. the whole area in the central part of the future city was covered with water, and its height reached 7, 62 meters.. " But here's the catch:
Interesting - who the same measured "in an open field", the height of the rise of water, if there was no city there? How did you measure - did you swim there (where and why, there was no city yet? How did you know that there would be a city there?) On rafts or ships, lowered poles or ropes with a load?
To whom and why it was needed? In general, it's clear that it's a dark matter! Most likely the information is distorted - the exact depth could be measured using mud marks on buildings (flood always brings dirt) So the city was in that place!
LET'S ASK YOURSELF QUESTIONS:
1- how could the "gauges" know that a city will be built here?
2 - if they were going to build a city, how could they know that this is a flood (and it will definitely subside) and not a change in sea level in general?
3 - if they knew that this was a flood, and it would subside, why was it necessary to build a city on such a place where there are constant floods of 7, 6 meters? After all, it is not known with what intensity they will occur - maybe it will progress, or will the water generally remain at this level?
Therefore, there is a strong opinion that the city was, and it had to be dug out anyway! How was it possible to build from scratch in such a place? This is the reason for the firm decision to defend the city from the elements - BECAUSE IT ALREADY STANDED THERE BUILT, BUT FLOORED !!
question - WHY BUILD THE CITY IN SUCH A PLACE
the answer is WHEN THE CONDITIONS OF EXISTENCE WERE DIFFERENT, AND DISASTERS BEGAN AS A RESULT OF WORLD CATACLYISM AND A CHANGE OF POLES.
Let's go back to our version! Now - map number 3 (1737) - the water is gradually disappearing. These are the current dimensions "in height" (from north to south), I am guided by the Terek, it flows into the sea (on the left) denoting a third of its height, as it is now., from the west, there is a "tight fit", and from the south (from below) the peninsula protrudes.
And the most characteristic - AT FUNCTIONING IN THE SEA large REC (from below, from the south) THERE ARE NO BRANCHED MOUNTINGS (from above, near the Volga, everything is in order) This speaks of the "freshness" of the southeastern coastline
On the terrain map (below) you can see - everything that is green (southern coast) was all flooded (according to map number 3) along the very mountains and hills (you can also see the large peninsula, from the bottom, to the left - compare!)
And this, my friends, in fact THE ENTIRE CASPIAN PERSIA IS THE MOST GRAPPY LAND EVER
All this was immediately flooded, as a little later, in the 19th century, and our country (according to the version of the community of the alternative history of the Runet) was settled later by some new population (% by 90) One of the leaders of the movement A. Kungurov. It is worth looking at the images of the Persians before the 16-17 centuries - these are other people. According to the version of (now deceased) S. Danilov - PERuna CHEus..
For persuasiveness, we will use the overlay method (card number 3)
And now (map number 4) the water has already subsided (this is 1787), remaining only in the deepest depressions. The previously flooded, old branched mouths of the Syr-Darya and Amu-Darya immediately open when they flow into the (Aral already) sea-lake.
END OF THE WORLD
So, at the end of the 16th, beginning of the 17th century, the global End of the World began.. It went through the regions, as if not immediately "completing" the Old World as a whole, but gradually, covering one part of it after another.. There are maps of our North-East (Present Yakutia, Magadan region) where on the new maps of the region simply … no! It was not drawn, because there was no information, and the old ones were no longer relevant. Pay attention to the map of 1700 (below) And there are many such maps!
This time when Kamchatka was torn off, Japan was torn apart, Baikal was stretched out, and what was happening, what is now accepted to be silent, attributing these events hundreds of thousands of years ago (official science) And then the region appears, already in an updated form.
Moreover, over the course of a hundred years, its outlines have changed on various maps - either changes on the ground continue (seismic activity, a drop in the water level), or the researchers refine the information, improving the quality of their display (for more details here, in the second part -
But there are maps up to 1700, on them the region is quite displayed for itself, in its old form - the not yet flooded cities of Tartarus and Mongul, from which the name "Tatar-Mongols" came from (author's version) These cities, the spiritual heart of Tartaria, literally fell through the earth, where it came from - "Fall into Tartarars" (also the author's version) The link above is a detailed investigation of this topic.
All this now rests on the shelf of the East Siberian Sea. (the location of the cities is marked with a turquoise circle) In general, it is understandable. Well, in order not to stretch the post, not to try to embrace the immensity, I will finish, then there are still many different interesting topics that require investigation. Write your thoughts in the comments, I will be glad to any constructive communication.
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