TOP-9 rulers of the world according to politician Giulietto Chiesa

2024 Author: Seth Attwood | [email protected]. Last modified: 2023-12-16 15:55

According to the famous politician Giulietto Chiesa, the world is going through an era of a change in the civilizational paradigm. The consumer society can no longer exist: the resources of our planet are insufficient, and the financial policy ensuring the functioning of the consumer society has reached a dead end. The scenarios for the birth of a new world can be frightening, given that in reality the money civilization is ruled, according to Chiesa, by 9 people - the leaders of the largest banks in the world.

Russia is in an advantageous position because it has the resources, but the Russian elites have not yet realized that the world they are striving for is dying.

"THE HISTORY OF THE LAST THREE CENTURIES IS COMING TO AN END, THE CIVILIZATION OF MONEY IS GONE"

- We are at the beginning of a transition period that has no precedents in history. It could have come ten years ago, but the USA in 2001 postponed the crisis for 7 years by the events of September 11th. Postponed - but not canceled. And in 2008 he returned. Who will benefit from this era is difficult to say, but it is already clear that the history of the last three centuries is coming to an end. Today it is clear that development within a closed system of resources is impossible - the world has reached the limits of development. Anyone who says that the old system will be preserved is lying. Coal, oil, even uranium - all the resources of the planet are almost exhausted, and it is only a matter of time before they finally run out. All our realities, everything we are used to will change. The civilization of money will go away.

“Aren't you burying her early, Monsieur Chiesa? Critics of modern society somewhat exaggerate the scale of the crisis, don't you think?

- No, this is indeed a global crisis. Including the energy crisis. Even today we use more water than nature is able to give us. And what happens when 300 million people over the next ten years run out of this resource? We produce waste with such an internal structure that in principle cannot be recycled. We have changed the course of nature itself.

- Many people talk about ecology. Governments spend huge sums on it, the population votes for the environmental programs of certain parties …

- We need to understand that the old democracy is already dying. In Europe, half of the population does not go to elections - and not at all because of their political apathy. A huge number of people lack the representation of their interests in the government. I am not at all against parliaments, local councils, etc. You just need to create a new system of representation, new parties and movements. And this movement must come from below.

- Under what flag?

- Under the flag of self-restraint. Today you need to start limiting yourself, changing yourself and your way of life. We need a cultural, organizational, political revolution, we need to reduce energy costs.

"WE LIVE FOR THE MARKET"

- Do you think there are enough people in the world who are willing to limit themselves willingly? In a world most of which is grossly malnourished?

- It's not about the starving. But even those who could limit themselves do not begin to think about it. Because we are being manipulated, we are being duped! People were turned into buying tools. The overwhelming majority's brains are controlled. We live for the market when we work and when we rest. It is he who dictates our actions to us. We are not free people. Journalists should inform people about this. But the media are silent about this. Television 24 hours tells us to buy things, that our scale of values is purchasing power. In reality, in modern television, direct information is not more than 8%. Everything else is advertising and entertainment. And as a result, these same 92% form a person.

- Well, this is natural, because television exists at the expense of advertising. Who will keep the TV if it stops selling? What do you suggest?

- To begin with, I would nationalize the media. 50 years ago, a person's personality was formed in the family, school, and sometimes in the church. Today, 90% of the thinking of young people is formed by television. TV has become the most important cultural structure around the world, from the United States to India and China. The media system is a fundamental human right and cannot be privatized. They must be returned to the state and the people. It is impossible to tell people about the situation on the planet without the participation of TV channels. Instead, the TV persuades us to buy another car. Likewise, I am convinced that all banks that issue money should be nationalized. We are losing control of money.

- "Who are "we?

- States, citizens of states. In mid-December, The New York Times published an article on the front page - that every month the heads of 9 world banks gather in a restaurant on Wall Street: Goldman Sachs, UBS, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank and the like. Each month, these nine people make decisions about six billion people: what will be the percentage of unemployment in the world, how many people will die of hunger, how many governments will be overthrown, how many ministers will be bought, and so on. They are respectable criminals, but they are more influential than any world political leader. They have real power - the power of money.

"USA IS A WELL ARMED BANKRUPTS"

- And yet today there is no reason to think that the growth of production and consumption will stop in the foreseeable future …

- Certainly. Moreover, if a billion Chinese start eating meat and drinking milk the way we do, in ten years there will be no place for all of us on this planet. And when there is no room - what will it mean? Back in 1998, a document was published in the United States - "Project for the new American century". This document prophetically wrote that in 2017 China will become the biggest threat to the security of the United States. Everything is coming true.

- Do you agree with the thesis that the main threat to the planet comes from China?

- No, the biggest source of danger today is New York, Wall Street and the USA. The dollar has already died today, the USA is bankrupt. But at the same time, they are well-armed bankrupts. By the way, the economic attacks against Greece and Ireland were provoked only in order to reduce the sovereignty of the European currency and Europe as a whole. Indeed, today the euro is actually stronger than the dollar - if only because the EU's debt is lower than that of the United States. Therefore, by the way, I do not think that the euro will disappear.

"EUROPE AS A POLITICAL AND CULTURAL PHENOMENON WILL EXIST FURTHER"

- But Europe also has many weak points. The population is aging, the authorities are forced to import migrants, and those - especially Muslims - do not want to assimilate, the tension is growing … Merkel and Sarkozy have already admitted that the policy of multiculturalism has failed.

- I do not believe in the failure of multiculturalism. "The Danger of Islamic Fundamentalism" is a US invention that was launched on September 11, 2001. We ourselves created this idea of exporting democracy. Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that this scheme is not viable. As well as the erroneous opinion of the West that all peoples and countries should follow the same path as they do.

- The Islamic world lives in one century. We are in something else. Is it their fault? No, it's just that the timing and the situation are completely different. At the same time, it was we who created globalization, we seized their resources.

- Today it is obvious that Europe objectively needs 20 million migrants, but we are not able to perceive them. As a result, they come without any opportunity to live a normal life. Understand that globalization is a movement of people, and, therefore, of cultures.

- Do you share the fears that Europe will dissolve in the flow of migrants?

- I believe that Europe as a political and cultural phenomenon will continue to exist. Of course, the processes taking place on the continent are very complex. Indeed, until now, there have been no precedents in the world for 27 countries to unite in a peaceful way. At the same time, one half of the EU today is “European”, and the other half is “American” (we are talking about Western and Eastern Europe - editor's note). The current crisis in the region is the most difficult moment in its history.

By the way, I think that Russia could play a big role in Europe. Moreover, it is necessary to combine the efforts of these two forces, to integrate interests. Europe today does not threaten anyone. Russia also will not threaten anyone when there is a shortage of resources - if only because it has all these resources inside the country. And together Europe and Russia could play a huge calming role for the situation around the world. In the meantime, the United States is “calming down” everyone.

"IT'S SENSE TO BUY TICKETS FOR A SINKING SHIP"

- You worked in Moscow for about 20 years as a reporter for the newspapers l'Unita and La Stampa. Russia today is going through difficult times in its history. Where do you think it is drifting?

- Hard to say. I myself do not quite understand what is going on. On the one hand, I see that Russia has tremendous opportunities to influence international life. On the other hand, I, unfortunately, observe that Russia continues to act in the old way - protecting only itself. As, incidentally, it is still perceived in public opinion in the West. In recent years, I have never heard large-scale ideas from Russia about the structure of the world. I will give an example - the American empire was created because the Americans were able to send a message to the world: everything that is in their interests is in the interests of the whole world. They worked very well on the idea of a country that speaks for everyone.

So if Russia continues to give signals about its strength, while talking about protecting only itself, few people will be interested. It will not be interesting for the same Europe, and this is the weakest point of your country's policy. If you want to claim world domination in a good sense of the word, if you want to have influence in the transitional situation in which the whole world finds itself today, change. It is necessary to go out with messages about unification, about limiting the consumption of resources - so that they will be enough for everyone. It is possible to build on this great world politics.

- How can Russia preach self-restraint, whose ruling class is showing the world the most unbridled consumerism? Can't you see that this country is being led by zealous adherents of the world order with which you are calling for an end?

- It seems to me that your leaders have not yet realized this new situation. The Russian leadership today devotes a lot of time to America and little to the same China. But the 21st century will not be America's. And it makes no sense for Russia today to buy tickets for a sinking ship. You need to play in different directions.

"EUROPE NEEDS RUSSIA"

- What, in your opinion, awaits Russian-Ukrainian relations in the near future?

- They are normalizing. There was a period of Viktor Yushchenko when there was a strong US influence and a desire to include the country in its orbit. Fatal mistakes. Now that the page of the Orange Revolution has been turned, it is necessary to create normal relations between a sovereign, independent, neutral Ukraine, Russia and Europe. But the political elites of Ukraine need to know that they are not subordinate to anyone.

“They seem to be starting to realize this. But this does not change the desire of the Ukrainian elites to integrate into Europe - at least personally. Does Europe need Ukraine?

- To be honest, Europe needs Russia more. Europe in words and, perhaps, even financially, will support Ukraine, but today it will not be able to simply “digest” this country. Europe must think about itself today, and it would be a mistake on the part of Ukraine to expect a lot from the EU. If I were the leader of Ukraine, I would create my own strong state. By the way, I voted against Turkey's inclusion in the EU - I knew that Turkey is too big for us. But we will be able to develop the policy of good neighborliness with this country. As with Ukraine. In general, Europe, Russia and Ukraine could play a great common game.

- The global crisis has just begun. How will Ukraine and Russia emerge from it?

- Russia is in a relatively prosperous position, because this country has all the necessary resources. The same China does not have them. Europe also lacks sufficient resources. And in this difficult and delicate transition period, which is coming due to the global crisis, Russia will find itself in very good conditions. Therefore, she must take advantage of this situation.

Ukraine does not have such resources. But it, for example, can play a big role in creating a European security system. There is no need to wait for proposals either from Russia or from Europe. In the place of the Ukrainian president, I would create a center that would deal with this area. An international center for the study of security in the new world could be established here. Ideas need to be generated. Things will cost a lot tomorrow, but ideas will be even more expensive.